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Apologies for Absence / Changes in Membership


Apologies of absence were received from Nick Crank, Gary Marshall, Sue Polhill, Roger Evans, Brenda Jennings, Ann Davies, Martin Andrew and Sarah Gray.


Declarations of Interest

To declare any personal and prejudicial interests


There were no declarations of interest.


Minutes pdf icon PDF 174 KB

of the meeting held on 16 March 2011  to be confirmed


The minutes of the meeting held on 16 March 2011 were confirmed



Matters Arising from the Minutes


Mr Kidd advised that the National Planning Policy Framework consultation was undertaken over the Summer and that he had responded to the consultation on behalf of the Forum as discussed at the previous meeting. He advised that the issue would be discussed later on the agenda.


Localism Bill and National Planning Policy Framework: Issues for the Historic Environment

Report of the County Archaeologist.


Mr Kidd reported that:


The Localism Bill contains proposals which aim to make the planning system clearer, and more effective. The draft National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) works with the Localism Bill to put into practice the Duty to Cooperate, Neighbourhood Planning and other changes.  


The Localism Bill will abolish regional strategies which will see the abolition of the South East England Plan and lose a tier of development plans. Instead Councils are required to develop local plans which set out where different kinds of development should be located. They can also contain policies on the natural and historic environment.


The Localism Bill will also introduce Neighbourhood Planning and the draft PPF supports neighbourhood planning. A neighbourhood plan enables communities to have a genuine opportunity to influence the future of the places where they live and they will have the right to draw up a neighbourhood plan. Mr Kidd said that a bid for funding had been submitted so that Community Impact Bucks (CIB) could support this planning process and that the bid had been successful. He advised that there was a potential implication to the historic environment as he was not sure about undesignated development which would potentially be harmful.


A Member advised that Bristol City Council have developed a website called ‘Know Your Place’ which allows users to explore the neighbourhood through historic maps, images and linked information. Users can also upload information. The information on the website has helped the Council defend proposed planning developments and it was suggested that perhaps Buckinghamshire could introduce something similar to help provide evidence in any potential planning appeals. Another Member commented that local knowledge is important and said how with the passing of generations valuable information is often lost but with a system like this information could be preserved. Mr Kidd said he would look into the system used by Bristol City Council.


Mr Kidd then discussed the NPPF and said that a lot of detail has been lost. He advised that there is a strong emphasis on the need for supportive guidance to say what was intended and how to interpret the document. He said that the consultation has now ended and that the results are awaited.


He said that one of the concerns is that if the regional strategies are abolished, the Policy Planning Statements documents will be lost at national level. Local plans are not advanced and there is an assumption that Planning Policy Statement (PPS) 5 is in place. Mr Kidd said he is not sure where it leaves us and that the Council could potentially find itself in an awkward situation as local plans rely on documents which no longer exist.


A Member commented that Local Authorities (LA) who do not have plans in place may be vulnerable to development being pushed through. A Member from AVDC commented that their plan would not be in place until 2013. Mr Kidd encouraged all District Councils to look at their plans to ensure historic environment was  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.


Heritage at Risk pdf icon PDF 54 KB

Report of the County Archaeologist


Members considered the report and noted the conclusions of the survey. Mr Kidd invited the Forum to consider that should HS2 be given the go-ahead English Heritage be asked to add threatened designated heritage assets along the route through Buckinghamshire to the at risk register in 2012.


A Member enquired what the criteria was for selection and it was commented that English Heritage have the criteria but that in most cases it was ploughing and identifying sites for environmental stewardess.


A Member said that Mentmore towers was a building of concern. He said it was a Building at Risk but that it was getting worse not better and that it had tarpaulin on the roof for protection. It was commented that the Local Authority would probably be reluctant to issue a repairs notice as it could lead to acquisition and said that the building needing monitoring. It was suggested that tarpaulin did not seem adequate enough to be keeping up with maintenance and the solution might be to request an urgent works notice.


Members agreed to monitor the situation and reconsider if necessary.


Local Government Historic Environment Services pdf icon PDF 20 KB

Report of the County Archaeologist

Additional documents:


Members had received the report.


Members reviewed the implications with respect to historic environment services in Buckinghamshire and it was commented that Local Authorities (LAs) are losing expertise which can not be got back.


A Member said that if the County Council was supplying a service to the District Council whether there was any merit in closer working with District Council’s making a fairer contribution. In response it was highlighted that the responsibility lies with the Local Authority dealing with the planning application and that there would need to be political will to further any discussions.








Milton Keynes Archaeological Officer's Report pdf icon PDF 23 KB

Report of the Senior Archaeological Officer, Conservation and Archaeology.

Additional documents:


Members noted the report.


Buckinghamshire County Archaeologist's Report pdf icon PDF 26 KB

Report of the Historic Environment Record Officer

Additional documents:


Members noted the report.


Buckinghamshire Historic Environment Record Report pdf icon PDF 30 KB

Report of the Historic Environment Record Officer


Members were informed that the HER search room had changed and that this was now in New County Offices. The Officer said that there is a data inputting backlog and that this was going up with the office move as a number of reports have been founds which also need to be inputted.


County Museum Report pdf icon PDF 26 KB

Reports of the Keeper of Archaeology and Finds Liaison Officer


Members noted the report.


Members were informed that Halton is an old school building and is not ideal for environmental storage. The Officer advised that they are looking to put in a stage 1 bid to the lottery to rebuild stores. A meeting has taken place with consultants and the Forum will be kept informed.


National Trust Report pdf icon PDF 20 KB

Report of the Regional Archaeologist.


Members noted the report.


Church Archaeology

Report of the Diocesan Archaeological Adviser


The Diocesan Archaeological Adviser was unable to attend.


Conservation Officers' Reports


Aylesbury Vale


The Aylesbury Vale Officer was unable to attend and the Chairman read an update provided:


  1. The public consultation process on the draft Wendover conservation area document has now been completed and a report is now being written up
  2. The draft Padbury conservation area document will be going out to public consultation before Christmas.
  3. Conservation area documents for Bishopstone, Hartwell and Sedrup are in preparation at the moment.




Nothing to report.


Milton Keynes


Nothing to report.


South Bucks


It was reported that:


Conservation Areas

Two new conservation areas have been adopted as of July 2011 - Stoke Poges West End Conservation Area and a Framewood Road Conservation Area taking the number of Conservation areas in South Bucks to 21. The Officer said that the Conservation Area Review came to a halt with the departure of Marian Miller.



Dropmore went into receivership 2 years ago and has now been brought by Richard Livingstone who wants to carry forward repairs as a single, private residential dwelling.



A new bronze cast has been made and is due to be put onto the clock tower within the next month.





It was reported that:


The Conservation Area studies have been delayed due to the departure of a member of a staff.


A national developer has brought Dawes Hill Military of Defence site for intensive development and there is to be a pre-consultation consultation. Mr Kidd said that BCC would like to be involved.




Emergency Recording Fund pdf icon PDF 16 KB

Report of the Treasurer


The Forum considered whether to request contributions for 2012/13 and it was agreed that no request for contributions would be made.



Any Other Business




Date and Time of Next Meeting

The next meeting is to be held on 14 March 2012, 2.30pm, Mezz 2, County Hall, Aylesbury.  


The next meeting is to be held on 14 March 2012, 2.30pm, Mezz 2, County Hall, Aylesbury.