Meeting documents

Venue: Mezzanine Room 2, County Hall, Aylesbury. View directions

Contact: Clare Gray 

Items
Note No. Item

10.00am

1.

Election of Chairman

Minutes:

RESOLVED

 

That Mr M Appleyard be elected Chairman of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee for Public Health Services for the ensuing year.

10.02am

2.

Appointment of Vice-Chairman

Minutes:

RESOLVED

 

That Mrs P Wilkinson MBE be appointed Vice-Chairman of the Overview and Scrutiny Committee for Public Health Services for the ensuing year.

10.04am

3.

Apologies for Absence / Changes in Membership

Minutes:

Apologies for absence were received from Mrs P Bacon, Mr R Woollard and Mrs M Royston (South Bucks District Council). Mrs C Willetts temporarily replaced Mrs A Davies for this Meeting.

10.06am

4.

Declarations of Interest

To declare any personal and prejudicial interests

Minutes:

There were no declarations of interest for this Meeting.

10.08am

5.

Minutes pdf icon PDF 83 KB

of the meeting held on 11 May 2007 to be confirmed as a correct record

Minutes:

The Minutes of the Meeting held on 11 May 2007 were agreed as a correct record.

10.10am

6.

Out of Hours Services pdf icon PDF 682 KB

Out of hours services have been highlighted as an area of public concern in recent months. The Head of Primary Care from the PCT and the Operations Director from Harmoni, the current provider of out of hours care in Buckinghamshire, will provide the Committee with an overview of the current situation across the County in relation to unscheduled care.

 

Caroline Langley Head of Primary Care Buckinghamshire Primary Care Trust

Tom Elrick Harmoni Operations Director

Minutes:

Caroline Langley, Head of Primary Care Buckinghamshire PCT and Tom Elrick Harmoni Operations Director, gave an informative presentation on the Out of Hours Services, which has been highlighted as an area of public concern in recent months. A copy of the slides was circulated with the agenda papers.

 

After the presentation the following points were made through questions asked:-

PCT Involvement

  • Harmoni had won the contract for providing an out of hours service for Buckinghamshire in 2004. With the exception of 2 practices that contract with Harmoni directly (Denham Green and Iver Medical Centre), the PCT set up the contract with Harmoni on the GPs behalf. These 2 practices however are included in the overall monitoring figures.
  • Previously the PCT held monthly monitoring meetings with Harmoni, which covered service provision, quality standards and complaints. These have now been changed to quarterly because of the improvement in performance. These Reviews are conducted in accordance with National Quality Standards. The PCT is satisfied with the contract held with Harmoni.
  • The next review of the Harmoni Contract is October 2007 and the PCT Board are looking to extend this contract for one year.

Harmoni

  • If a patient rings up and is semi-coherent and alone, the call handler will pass the call immediately to a clinician to make an assessment. If the clinician believes that if the patient is unsafe they would send for an ambulance or conduct a home visit. If the patient has rung up during GP surgery hours they are asked to contact their GP.
  • The Single Point of Access Service (SPA) has been developed to ensure patients receive appropriate care from the most appropriate care team, which should save time on referral and assessment processes. Admissions to Accident and Emergency should be reduced by maximising the skills of community teams and maintaining the patients safety in their own homes. A pilot was currently being conducted in Somerset.
  • With reference to the SPA, a Member expressed concern about what hospitals would be used within this Service, as Milton Keynes Hospital was closer to him, than Stoke Mandeville Hospital, which was within the County. He was reassured that Harmoni refer patients out to Milton Keynes Hospital routinely. They use the ambulance guidelines as to which hospital the patient should visit.
  • Caroline Langley reported that people in the South of the County and East Berkshire used Wexham Hospital.
  • It was noted that there would be future modelling of the community hospital in Buckingham to maximise the effectiveness of its service provision.
  • In response to a question regarding whether there was a deadline for patients to receive appropriate care, members noted that Harmoni were in constant contact with their patients. Interventions were usually very quick and if it took any longer then they would be referred to another service. If there were any changes in service provision they would contact the patient to obtain their agreement. If the patient’s condition got worse then another level of care is provided.  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.

10.50am

7.

Mental Health Trust Estates Proposals

The Chief Operating Officer from the Mental Health Trust will outline the proposals arising from the Putting People First consultation in 2005.

 

David Bradley Chief Operating Officer Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust

Minutes:

David Bradley, Chief Operating Officer from the Mental Health Trust attended the Meeting to outline the proposals arising from the Putting People First consultation in 2005.

 

The following points were made:-

 

Frith Ward, Haleacre Site

·               There were concerns about Frith Ward, which included the state of the building. Work had been undertaken to improve the environment. Clients in Frith Ward were in the ward for a relatively short period with an average stay of 40 days. Some of these clients had been sectioned, whilst other clients had been admitted on a voluntary basis. These clients had an acute period of problems, which could not be supported by nurses, social workers or psychiatrists. These clients were usually treated with medication and therapy. There are hazards in the building such as fixtures where clients could hang themselves. £1.1 million was required to bring Frith Ward up to standard where there would be no hazards to clients. Therefore the Trust was looking at the most effective way to provide this Service. 

·               One of the options was to close Frith Ward and to move the service provision to Tindal Ward at the Manor Hospital site in Aylesbury. Discussions were being held about how many beds were required and whether some of these clients needs could be met by community services.

·               Many clients stayed in hospital longer because of locum consultants who did not know the local area and therefore took longer to refer the client to the appropriate local community teams.  Currently the Trust held no vacancies for consultants in this area; therefore this should mean shorter stays.

·               If Frith ward was closed, the clients would be moved to a better environment and funding could be invested in higher levels of nursing care in line with the Putting People First Consultation.

·               Members were concerned about the transportation issue for the client’s family and friends. The representative from the Patient and Public Involvement Forum also commented on the need to travel to Care Programme Reviews, which were conducted in Slough. David Bradley informed Members that information would be provided on transport links, they had commissioned Dial a Ride to help with transportation although this did not cover weekends and they would also help with the cost of travelling. Taxis could also be provided and the Trust had looked into whether it would be worth investing in a minibus.

·               In relation to Service Provision in the South of the County it was noted that the Trust had 28,000 staff, of which there were 121 staff looking after Frith Ward. The vast majority of staff worked in the community all over the County.

·               Regarding a question about a shortage of beds, it was noted that more services would be provided in the community so that the client could stay at home. They provided a Crisis Service that could help clients with acute problems. In addition they were also looking at reducing the average length of stay from 40 days to 21 days with the provision  ...  view the full minutes text for item 7.

8.

Financial Overview

The Financial Directors from both the PCT and the acute trusts in Buckinghamshire will provide an overview of the current financial situation for the Trust. The key issues for the Trusts will be highlighted and recovery plans presented. The Committee will learn how the Trusts are working in partnership to deliver savings.

Minutes:

Linda Morris and Tom Travers, the Financial Directors of Buckinghamshire PCT and Buckinghamshire Hospitals Trust attended the Meeting to update Members on the current financial situation for the Trusts. A copy of the slides is available on the following link http://democracy.buckscc.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.asp?CId=137&MId=2367&Ver=4.

 

11.15am

8i

Linda Morris Financial Director Buckinghamshire PCT

Minutes:

Linda Morris presented the financial position for 2006/7 and Plans for 2007/8 for the PCT. After the presentation the following points were made through questions asked:-

 

  • The Strategic Health Authority were providing full support to the PCT for historical debt and also providing funding for external consultants to help deliver the financial plan.
  • The Health Service in Buckinghamshire received poor per capita funding compared to the North of England, as they were considered to have greater need. However, there was a low uptake for health services in the North of the Country compared to the uptake in the South-East, as the local public were well informed about which services they could access.
  • The emphasis was now on community services, the preventative agenda and keeping people out of hospital and treated closer to home. However, it was important to change the infrastructure to provide community support before any changes were made to hospital care.
  • Pooled budgets allowed for more effective use of resources. However, budgets were still separated and budgets needed to be joined up for commissioning purposes.
  • Out of county services were being looked at to see if these services could be provided more locally, which would be more beneficial for the patient and more economical.
  • £10 million had already been identified as savings. Managers were now asked to attend Board Meetings to account for their budgets being overspent. This was a change in culture in how the PCT previously operated, to increase accountability.
  • Changes in processes since the merger of the three PCTs last October should help improve financial management, for example there were previously 3 separate ledgers.

11.45am

8ii

Tom Travers Financial Director Buckinghamshire Hospitals Trust

Minutes:

Tom Travers presented the financial overview for 2007/8 for the Hospitals Trusts.  After the presentation the following points were made through questions asked:-

 

·         As it was expensive when patients did not turn up for their appointment, the hospital dealt with this by overbooking on the basis that 5% of patients would not attend appointments.

·         There was a National IT Strategy to ensure ease of access, with the ability to choose and book appointments at GP surgeries tailored to individual need. This should be implemented in the next couple of years.

·         A big piece of work was being undertaken on reviewing their Estates Strategy. There were a number of fixed financial commitments because of PFI initiatives, which would last for the next 30 years. A Member queried about PFI initiatives being good value for money. In response to this it was noted that all PFI’s went through a tough scrutiny process and were compared to undertaking the Scheme through the public sector.

·         Maternity services were also being reviewed to provide services outside of hospital and through primary care. Concern was expressed about additional pressures on GPs but this should be avoided by good collaborative working.

·         If beds were not utilised there was concern about the building not being used to its full capacity. However, in response to this it was noted that it was better to close off the ward and make savings in staffing costs.

 

Linda Morris and Tom Travers were thanked for their presentations and invited back in a year’s time to update the Committee on their progress.

12.15pm

9.

Patient and Public Involvement Forums (PPIF)

The Forum Support Officer will update the Committee on key patient issues arising from the Forum’s current work programmes.

Minutes:

There was no update for this meeting.

12.25pm

10.

Committee Update

An opportunity to update the Committee on relevant information and report on any meetings of external organisations attended since the last meeting of the Committee.  This is particularly pertinent to members who act in a liaison capacity with NHS Boards and for District Representatives.

Minutes:

The Committee noted the following information:-

 

  • The Continuing Care Group would meet for the first time on 11 June at 10am. Mr Steve Adams would be asked to chair the Group, as a previous Member of this Committee. A representative from the Patient and Public Involvement Forum would be invited to sit on the Group.

12.45pm

11.

Date and Time of Next Meeting

Friday 6 July 2007

Minutes:

The date and time of the next meeting is 10.00am on Friday 6 July 2007.